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Canon Draco

I will use encouraging this community as an excuse to prattle on...

Reading some discussions today I was thinking how I do so much thinking about Draco as a character, and yet a lot of the time I feel like I'm not digging deeper into the character so much as just pointing out what's in the text. I feel like a lot of the time I'm stripping away fanon just to get to what we actually have.



That is, it just strikes me that Draco seems to be a character where almost always what we see in a scene isn't what we're told we're seeing in a scene, either by Harry or by much the fandom. I think that might be what fascinates me so much about the character. From Harry's pov this makes sense. He's not attempting to understand this character, so if he comes up with a number of negative impressions, some of which contradict each other, he doesn't care. And people can certainly have contradictions in their personalities. It's just so often I feel like Harry's impression of Malfoy is what people mistake for canon, and if you point out what *you* see in the scene, since you are "there" too and are able to draw your own conclusions, you're assumed to be creating a fanon version of the character, or whitewashing him.

These are some of the basic assumptions I'd like to challenge--and by challenge I don't mean prove that the opposite is true, but question whether this is the accurate way to describe what's going on. Particularly since in a lot of these instances, we see one thing and Harry and fandom assert something else. For instance:

Draco is used to getting what he wants.
This one puzzles me because in canon Draco is almost consistently defined as not getting what he wants. The generally held view seems to be that yes, we never see Draco get what he wants, but this is good because what we see is counteracting all the other times in Draco's life when he does get what he wants. Iow, we should assume that what we see of Draco in the books is a-typical of his life.

But why should we do that? For instance, in the B&B scene Draco is muttering and whining about Harry's getting special privileges. Often one fan will say well, he's right that the Trio does get special privileges. Someone else will then explain how they don't--err, that is they'll explain how they deserve their privileges. But in the scene, remember, Draco is specifically angry about Harry getting a broom his first year and playing Quidditch which indeed is a special privilege. There's no arguing that. In Draco's first scene he already knows about this rule and hopes to circumvent it. It appears from canon that if Draco's parents bought him a broom that first year (which I don't think they did judging by scenes the following year and his reaction to Harry's broom) he didn't get to take it to school. Draco is an ordinary student who is subject to the rules. This thread runs throughout the first two books for him. In his first scene he says the rule sucks, then Harry is given a pass for just that rule, then the next year getting his own broom isn't enough compared to that.

That's one example, but it's a consistent one. The only teacher who seems obviously willing to use his influence on Draco's behalf is Snape, but while he can favor him in class he's rarely shown able to pull strings for him. Usually Draco is subject to regular discipline from Moody, McGonnogal and Hagrid, to name three. Umbridge obviously gives him and his friends special powers, but this is out of the ordinary and something Draco clearly schemed to get--he knows he's upsetting the natural order of things. He certainly doesn't get special treatment on the Quidditch team if he's yelled at for missing the Snitch.

So if we see Draco doesn't get special privileges at school, it's then assumed he gets them at home. But again...why? I mean, yes, obviously he's given the best of everything, but in the two scenes where we see him with his parents he's firmly under their control. He doesn't get to touch anything in the store, he doesn't get a present, he doesn't get to see the Hand of Glory. He's held responsible for his own grades. He doesn't speak in the stands. If he wanted to hang with the DEs at the Cup he's not allowed. In CoS he's not allowed to help out the Heir. In those two scenes he's shown to have far fewer freedoms than any of the Weasleys.

To me he seems...well, a bit like Snape. It's not that he's used to getting what he wants and can't deal when he doesn't, it's that he feels the world is always unfairly weighted against him. Maybe he *should* get what he wants being a Pureblood, but in fact the world is out to make that not happen. In fact, he seems to be subject to rules other people aren't, both at home and at school.

Draco is used to being told he's great at everything.
Again, really? Snape makes him an example in class, but presumably no other teacher has ever done so (maybe Umbridge) unless he earned it. More importantly, his father doesn't seem to think he's all that. Clearly Dad has some expectations for grades that it is Draco's obligation to fulfill and isn't. I would say Draco is told he *should* be great at everything, which is a different thing.

Draco must be the boss of everyone.
His two friends are bodyguards, thus being friends with Draco means receiving orders. Except in canon Draco actually prefers people more powerful than himself. Not because he likes following orders, necessarily. To me it seems like he just needs praise and validation from more powerful people. So he clowns around for older kids, accepts being yelled at by Flint, obsesses about his father and flatters Snape. He loves these guys, I might even suggest *moreso* because they keep him in line while giving him a chance to try again. Again, in B&B (the only Lucius/Draco scene we really have), even if we use the fact that Draco is whining about Harry to suggest that this is the first time Draco had something like this to complain about, the fact that Lucius is so firmly unsupportive of his whining suggests to me he has little patience for humoring his kid. Draco's obsessive repetitiveness (which is pretty common in children, though the heroes are magically free of this--I mean, come on, you think Hermione wouldn't prattle on ad nauseum until her parents wanted to drug her? That Ron wouldn't tell jokes long after they stopped being funny?) only goes on at home as long as it can be ignored (5 seconds?), then Lucius tells him to can it.

Draco's used to Mum and Dad taking care of things for him.
When, exactly? I mean, yes, they have certainly shown concern for him and shown an interest in what he's doing at school, but what major thing in his life have they taken care of for him? His being bought onto the Quidditch team just doesn't fit with canon as I see it at all--a reward seems to make far more sense to me. But even if he was bought on the team what has gone right for Draco in school since year 1? The few things I can think of have really nothing to do with his parents (unless we count Umbridge, but I can't imagine anything going down differently if Umbridge hadn't met Lucius) and were short-lived. In first year his parents can't even get him out of a Forbidden Forest detention or get back the house cup. If Draco was ever used to his parents coming in and fixing everything for him (and perhaps in his childhood they often did that) he's been on his own since 11. By the end of OotP he's trying and failing to fix things for them.

None of Draco's relationships are "real."
This, of course, mostly comes down to Snape. Just recently I was reading a discussion where someone was mentioning Snape's favoring Draco in Potions and they had to put in (or pretending to), I think because it's so widely accepted in fandom that we can't take Snape's favoring him at face value even though whenever Harry sees them they seem to like each other. It just kind of floors me that it seems to have become impolite to flat-out say Draco is favored by Snape, that this is the one instance in canon where everyone suddenly get strict about what we know *for sure.* So you can feel confident claiming to know what Draco's childhood was like in detail despite not having been there, but if Snape says Draco's the bees knees it shouldn't be taken as a marker of Snape's opinion because he could have some complicated reason for doing so and really hate him. The funny thing is, it's not like it even matters in many contexts--even if Snape is only pretending to like favoring Draco, he's still favoring him.


Now, I don't think looking at this that I have made Draco into a different character who is any "cooler" than the one in canon. Somebody claiming everything's unfair to him is no less annoying than someone who expects everything to favor him. Draco's plots don't suddenly become heroic if he has low-esteem. To me, this isn't creating a fanon character, it's appreciating the character that's there who makes much more sense. Not that I'm saying my way of putting these little facts together is the only way--I haven't even worked out how I really think it all works. I'm not saying here that Draco is X way. Just saying in very specific instances it seems like X is happening in canon, based on what the text says.

I just wonder why it is this character works this way in fandom. Why does this character get so consistently interpreted in a way that seems slightly different from other characters? It just seems like a big blind spot, and sometimes even a convenient way of fobbing off troubling aspects of good characters on this one, you know? Sometimes he honestly does seem to be being set up as a scapegoat--literally. Maybe because of that, or because he's attached to the characters who are connected to "racists" there's almost this unspoken reaction expected of you and if you don't stick to it you might be racist too. I'm not claiming a conspiracy or anything, I just feel sometimes that there some issues people don't want to talk about rationally, because if you can it means you don't see how serious they are, so characters associated with those kinds of issues get it too. So suggesting, for instance, that Hermione was out of line on the Quidditch pitch=you think Voldemort is right.


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[info]tiferet

October 21 2004, 10:34:48 UTC 7 years ago

I have had a consistent problem in the fandom almost from day one of people assuming that I think "Voldemort is right" and not even just in his reasoning but in his actions, simply because I will not be convinced that blood prejudice is racism and the Death Eaters' beliefs that Muggles and Muggleborns are a potential threat are unfounded.

I have been asked if I thought it was "right" to intern Japanese Americans during WWII (and with the expectation that I will say no, because of course it's not "right", and that this will somehow invalidate my whole argument). I have been asked if I really condone mass murder.

I've also been accused of "smearing the good guys to make the bad guys look good" and when I respond that I don't think there are any good guys it's ignored. I don't understand how the fact that Voldemort is a mass murderer makes Dumbledore NOT a manipulative, two-faced SOB for doing some of the things he's done. The fact that the Death Eaters are worse than the Ministry who are worse than the Order does not make ANY of them good in my eyes, and people just won't even hear that.

There ARE issues people don't want to talk about rationally. And I think you're absolutely right about Draco.

[info]sistermagpie

October 21 2004, 11:32:52 UTC 7 years ago

I get that a lot too and that attitude always makes me suspicious because we should be able to talk about anything rationally--in theory at least. I know some people are emotional about certain issues and I respect that. But it's a fictional story and these things should all be up for discussion.

If what the DEs are doing are bad, then one should be able to look at what they're doing rationally and come to that conclusion. If by looking at it objectively you're going to come to the conclusion they aren't wrong than either they really aren't wrong or you're not too smart, right? Same thing with the things the "good guys" do--there's no reason I should not look carefully at dubious just because Voldemort's in the book. It's like calling people traitors because they question an administration's policies. It's just a way to shut people up and make them free from any criticism, which isn't a good idea.

Thing is, canon rarely tells us exactly how things are run on the other side, so the only mindset we have access to is the "good guys" and they provide plenty of ethical problems all by themselves. It amazes me anyone would want a society run by these people!

[info]tiferet

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[info]chuffing

October 21 2004, 12:30:02 UTC 7 years ago

To me it seems like he just needs praise and validation from more powerful people.

I think he's terribly insecure and that he needs validation from just about everyone he views as superior in class, character, and position. I think that is why he goes so far out of his way to be noticed by the trio, and Harry especially. He is torn between thinking Harry is a worthless Halfblood and the fact that Harry is, to most people in their world, a hero. He wants to hate him as he's probably been instructed, but he sees something there that he respects and most definitely envies so he makes a point to get any attention he can be it good or bad. He wants Harry to like him even if he doesn't intend to like Harry. I think the same goes for Snape. I think that he is impressed with Snape's potion making abilities, but at the same time he probably feels that Snape is a bit lower class because he's only a professor and not an aristocrat. Don't get me wrong, I do think that he does care for Snape because I believe that Snape is the only person in his life who truly likes him. I just think that he will always feel a bit superior in their relationship.

In fact, he seems to be subject to rules other people aren't, both at home and at school.

I think that I may be biased, coming from a family somewhat like Draco's, but I would wholeheartedly agree with that. There are certain expectations educationally, politically, financially, and in a generalised sort of way concerning behaviour. I would imagine that there are things that are expected of him that the Weasley's or Harry or most other people would never even imagine, and that Draco is having a hard time being competent enough to live up to them. God knows I always did.

I would say Draco is told he *should* be great at everything, which is a different thing.

Yes, see, I think he fails at most everything. I think that Harry's POV is terribly biased in that he thinks that Draco deserves to fail. I, on the other hand, see it more that Draco really is trying, but he still fails nonetheless.

Maybe because of that, or because he's attached to the characters who are connected to "racists" there's almost this unspoken reaction expected of you and if you don't stick to it you might be racist too. I'm not claiming a conspiracy or anything, I just feel sometimes that there some issues people don't want to talk about rationally

Oh, I think that, by showing us Harry's POV, she is showing us her own in a way, and that she wants us to dislike him. I really don't think that just because you love your family or people you've known your entire life that you particularly subscribe to their brand of beliefs. Draco doesn't personally have to be any of the things that are characteristic of his family. In fact, I think that he is lacking in quite of few of the firm beliefs that they hold, or Lucius wouldn't feel the need to hold such a tight rein over him. I always thought that Lucius was a bit ashamed of Draco and that he thought if he kept him close enough no one would find out that Draco is different. Then, Lucius wouldn't be held accountable for any downfalls that Draco may have character-wise.

I also don't see blood prejudice as racism. I think it's quite different, in fact. I think that it equates to, say, the Native Americans wanting to protect their land from the Pilgrims, who they felt, and rightly so IMO, were stealing it. Purebloods seem to feel that others are tainting their 'land' with impurities and I believe that they are 100% serious. I don't think that they are actively trying to oppress people per say. I think they are only trying to protect themselves from what they perceive as a threat.

Wow, I really rambled and you probably disagree with most of it lol. Sorry for that. This was just very interesting to me.

[info]sistermagpie

October 21 2004, 12:59:42 UTC 7 years ago

I think he's terribly insecure and that he needs validation from just about everyone he views as superior in class, character, and position.

Oh, I agree-and also about Snape. The other thing with Harry is I think Harry impresses him early on in the robe shop in the way he takes control. When he meets him again and realizes he's Harry Potter he acknowleges that they didn't get along, but he didn't hate him yet.

I think that I may be biased, coming from a family somewhat like Draco's, but I would wholeheartedly agree with that.

That seems very true to me in canon. Lucius says flat-out he should be "ashamed" to be beaten by a Muggleborn in every class. It doesn't seem like Draco can fail gracefully at anything, and as you say, he fails at pretty much everything. Sadly, he's probably not completely incompetent. I tend to agree with folks who assume from what Lucius says that Draco isn't a hopeless student, and the fact that Lucius makes demands about his grades to me implies he's probably always been held to a high standard so might outdo plenty of others. It's just nothing he actually does do is enough, so he's always a failure. Like, in some family's he'd be a success for being Prefect. I suspect in Draco's case I suspect he'd simply fail by not being a Prefect. Anything good he does is because of his bloodline, his failures are his own.

This is why it surprised me recently when it was suggested Draco is happy to coast on his name while Harry wants to be known for his own accomplishments. To me it seems Draco's completely driven to be personally accomplished and not being so is not living up to his heritage.

I always thought that Lucius was a bit ashamed of Draco and that he thought if he kept him close enough no one would find out that Draco is different. Then, Lucius wouldn't be held accountable for any downfalls that Draco may have character-wise.

I get this sense too. I really do think if Draco were a different kid he and Lucius would have a different personality, but that Draco is in some ways a problem for him. I think the way Draco and Lucius express and relate to the same Pureblood ideas is very different too.

I also don't see blood prejudice as racism.

Me neither. There are certain elements that cross over into different areas--homophobia, racism, classism, etc., but I don't see the Pureblood vs. Muggleborn as being a good analogy for racism.

[info]tiferet

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[info]black_dog

October 22 2004, 04:11:06 UTC 7 years ago

it just strikes me that Draco seems to be a character where almost always what we see in a scene isn't what we're told we're seeing in a scene, either by Harry or by much the fandom.

I love this observation -- I think it's a very powerful rule to keep in mind when reading Draco, and maybe a key to JKR's method and sophistication. It's interesting that this sort of argument often turns into a criticism of JKR's bias or incoherence, but I tend to prefer, as a working hypothesis, that JKR is in control of this, knows what she's doing with her various POVs. If that's true, then the "why" question becomes even more interesting, I think.

I just wonder why it is this character works this way in fandom.

I guess my first reaction, which in general terms is not a particularly original one, is that Draco's character is distorted exactly in proportion to Harry's need to distort him. We've talked in other forums about the growing gap in relative emotional vulnerability between the two of them as they get older, but to some extent Harry's increasing mastery over Draco in later books may be a product of how efficiently he can lie to himself about who Draco is. Strip away those lies, and the raw vulnerability is still there.

I think the B&B scene in POA is a good example of how we can relate the distortion of Draco's character to Harry's own needs. During [info]pauraque's rereading, I really noticed how obsessed Harry was with Draco in the first few chapters. He's Harry's worst enemy; the memory of Draco is one of the things Harry clings to to remind himself that Hogwarts is real (which suggests all sorts of masochistic possibilities if he doesn't get a grip on his feelings here); he believes Draco may have sent Dobby, may be behind some sort of elaborate conspiracy to keep him from returning to Hogwarts. Clearly Harry is preoccupied with Draco and his power and malice to the point of paranoia.

And so the B&B scene, which almost immediately follows, might be most significant not as Draco exposition but because Harry sees it, because it deflates Draco in his eyes and relieves some of Harry's anxiety. Just as in the Polyjuice scene, the importance of the scene for Harry is that it shows him that Draco isn't really wired into some grand conspiracy or the possessor of privileged knowledge.

It's also interesting that in both these cases, Harry's reading of the scene isn't necessarily the only possible one or even the most humane one. And this gets back to the question of JKR's playfulness and ultimate control over her effects. In B&B, the reader probably has enough experience to see a slightly overbearing Lucius, typical of any number of striving upper middle class fathers who want to drive their children to excellence. But Harry, who has never had a father to push him this way, however ineptly, has a much more limited perspective and is much more inclined to take Lucius' humiliation of Draco at face value. And the reader, again, can't help but know this, and reflect on the difference between his own perspective and Harry's perspective, so this is maybe a key to the odd distorting effect you mention, a reminder to be wary about any conclusions Harry draws. The reader also has enough perspective to notice that even with his limited perspective, Harry might have reacted sympathetically to Draco, making a comparison between Lucius and Vernon, but he preferred to silently collect ammunition to tear down an image of Draco that had intimidated him.

I would toss out as a hypothesis that wherever there is a distortion of Draco's character, there is a specific need of Harry's that it answers. It's hard to see real malice in paper-mache dementors, or rude badges, or silly songs. And the Draco who warns Hermione to keep her head down, and warns Harry about "dogging it," seems less like a moustache-twirling villain and more like a playful boy who would like nothing more than to have Harry think him for sharing his superior knowledge. But Harry's world view is threatened by issues of wealth, power, social advantage, so Draco can't be a rival who plays rough, he has to represent absolute evil.

Hmmm, starting to rant. Must get coffee. Later!

[info]sistermagpie

October 22 2004, 10:27:36 UTC 7 years ago

Heh--this is just why I wish I could just avoid JKR interviews, because things she says, which are then repeated and exaggerated in fandom, always contradict my impression that she knows what she's doing with this. As I've said before regarding the B&B scene, JKR *knows* how to write the kind of scene many people (and Harry) see there. She does it with Dudley all the time. I can't believe she doesn't know exactly the type of kid she's setting up, and tying it to the way he lashes out to other people. In fact, for me one of the biggest proofs that the B&B scene *is* showing us that Draco's life is rather difficult is the very fact that Harry enjoys it. If he'd seen Neville in a similar scene with an uncle he'd probably think of Vernon and either be angry on Neville's behalf or perhaps want to distance himself from Neville further because he seemed like a victim.

So I really do think your point is spot on about how Draco grows and shrinks according to Harry's needs--I mean, I've felt that way from the very beginning, where some see Draco being offensive in his showing off and I see a kid trying too hard and thinking he has to be super cool to be liked and this is how to do it.

This is also something I've noticed at the end of GoF where Malfoy suddenly look more scary than he ever has before, presumably because Harry has just had this horrible experience with Voldemort and is projecting it on to Malfoy. Strangley, fandom itself seems unclear as to whether Malfoy got more evil or less in OotP-that is, some claim he just faded into the background because Harry had worse things to worry about, others feel his joining the Squad is akin to being a DE. Personally, to me it seems like the most serious Malfoy gets is when he is angry over his father's imprisonment, but that's also the moment he's at his most vulnerable and helpless. That's also what Harry focuses on in the scene, and it's definitely what he needs to see then--maybe he was helpless to save Sirius but he took this kid's father out. In both GoF and OotP Harry ends his year with the triumph of a hexed Malfoy, though in GoF Malfoy looms much larger while in OotP he's not even present as a character in the scene.

OotP is also the book where Dudley goes from being a bully to being someone Harry enjoys being able to have a go at as well. With Draco I think people sometimes exaggerate just how much Harry has forgotten about him, but that's maybe because I think, as you say, that Harry is getting better at seeing Draco only as he exists inside Harry's head. But the book continues to stick him in here and there with signs of things Harry does not acknowlege and that, to me, seems important.

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[info]danbi

October 22 2004, 04:43:10 UTC 7 years ago

Got here by way of [info]girlsigh.

You bring up a lot of good points. I know that I've characterised Draco as being used to getting what he wants, but I meant mostly material things. My rationale behind that is that I don't think Draco sees people as being, but rather as objects to maneuver so as to help him gain higher status - he objectifies, in other words. Is it true that he doesn't get what he wants in comparison to Harry, but we don't know that he doesn't get other things from his father; just because Lucius doesn't like him doesn't mean Draco is left with nothing. How many times have you given a little kid something to make them stop screaming in your ear? I think it's a bit like that, with Lucius being annoyed with Draco's whining.

Just my interpretation.

I think people bend Draco to fit their needs because otherwise, there would be no Harry/Draco. People want to project a desireable image onto him, and I think at least half of it has to do with the casting of Tom Felton into that role. That was how it was initially for me, but now I actually picture a different sort of Draco. That's how I know I've been reading too much fanfiction. ;)

[info]sistermagpie

October 22 2004, 09:31:52 UTC 7 years ago

Oh, I think you're interpretation is very valid--and I definitely agree that just because he doesn't get many things in canon doesn't mean there aren't things he does get. That's very often the way things work after all--Draco probably gets plenty of things that, say, Ron wants, but might not even notice. Just as Ron might get thigns that Draco wants (but wouldn't admit to envying him for).

I think it's great when authors can embrace stuff like his being pampered in many ways and still make him more than that...begining writers probably make him too one way or the other, either getting everything and so insufferable or completely abused and pathetic. The truth seems like something in between.

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[info]slinkhard

October 22 2004, 11:53:31 UTC 7 years ago

Great essay, as always. I'll reply a bit more later maybe, just a few quick points.

Snape makes him an example in class, but presumably no other teacher has ever done so (maybe Umbridge) unless he earned it.

There was a recent post by bethbethbeth, counting up all the points ever awarded, and Snape has never given any. Ever. To anyone, including the Slytherins.
In fact, the only points ever awarded to any member of Slytherin house in these books was to Draco, from Umbridge, once.

His being bought onto the Quidditch team just doesn't fit with canon as I see it at all--a reward seems to make far more sense to me.

Especially since he's complaining before the term begins about not being on the team.
So, to believe the 'buying onto the team', Lucius would need to either know the Quidditch team so well that he'd realised it's previous seeker had graduated; and be planning a happy happy surprise for his son in which he sternly denies him a broom then buys him seven, or else Draco and Lucius have actively planned that there being a gap means bribery time, and they're just pretending not to in B&B for um, bluffing practice?

None of Draco's relationships are "real."
This, of course, mostly comes down to Snape.


Don't forget of course, that he Sekritly loathes Crabbe, Goyle and Pansy; and they hate him, too.
Yup, they don't just 'look like bodyguards' (I love how fanon has taken this to mean they literally are. I suppose Millicent is an actual hag, and Pansy a pug Animagus, then?), they are (getting paid and everything!), and they're just dying for him to fall under a bus. That's why they defend him when he's not even present.
And of course, Pansy is a scheming whore who's prime ambition, at 13, is a Machivellian marriage of convenience.

The generally held view seems to be that yes, we never see Draco get what he wants, but this is good because what we see is counteracting all the other times in Draco's life when he does get what he wants. Iow, we should assume that what we see of Draco in the books is a-typical of his life.

I think you used an analogy once about how when we see the Dursleys, we don't assume that their usual behaviour is 'just a bad day' or them fairly discipling a brattish child (in this case, Harry.)

What I don't understand is that people who think that the B&B scene is healthy father-son interaction or atypical of said interaction, then go on to say things like 'But Draco doesn't act X or Y, he's always talking about how great his parents are and how much they love him. Hence they must!'

It's like - if you don't like this character, and you don't trust his word on any other subject, why on earth are you considering his family opinion as gospel?'

Or to simplify - show, don't tell. We're shown two scenes with Lucius and Draco interacting, we're told about several more, from varying sources.
Which is more reliable?

So suggesting, for instance, that Hermione was out of line on the Quidditch pitch=you think Voldemort is right.

Someone I like very much on a personal level, but disagree wildly on canon made a point similiar to this the other day (about OMG how can people criticise Hermione and like wastes like Draco/Lucius/Snape/Insert Slytherin here) and I was hardpressed not to snap.
It's so childish, this idea that if you question something the 'good' side do, you're doing it to make the 'bad' side look better.
I mean, me criticising the Trio, as I constantly do, actually has no effect whatsoever on anyone's opinion of Draco, least of all mine; since you know, he's not part of the trio.
It reminds me of that poll you did on hated characters, and how almost every single reply to my list was about Draco, despite the fact that since he wasn't there, said list had nothing to do with him.
And then of course, people liking a certain character get accused of 'fanonizing' them by way of blowing them up beyond their importance in canon; and I'm thinking: Um, who brought them up in the first place? Not me!

[info]chuffing

October 22 2004, 14:17:41 UTC 7 years ago

And of course, Pansy is a scheming whore who's prime ambition, at 13, is a Machivellian marriage of convenience.

Thank you. I now want to write that.

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[info]go_back_chief

October 22 2004, 15:02:15 UTC 7 years ago

I just wonder why it is this character works this way in fandom. Why does this character get so consistently interpreted in a way that seems slightly different from other characters? It just seems like a big blind spot, and sometimes even a convenient way of fobbing off troubling aspects of good characters on this one, you know? Sometimes he honestly does seem to be being set up as a scapegoat--literally. Maybe because of that, or because he's attached to the characters who are connected to "racists" there's almost this unspoken reaction expected of you and if you don't stick to it you might be racist too.

As I mentioned before, I read a book this summer about bullying, where really oulled off showing how everything the victim did, or didn't do, always got interpreted in the absolutely worst way possible by the bullies, and thus served as justifications of their own actions. And it really struck me how similar the bullies interpretation/perception of the victim's personality, actions/inactions, could be to this fandom's perception/interpretation of Draco. Like, sometimes it seems Draco just can't do anything right -or even anything that is remotely understandable- in the eyes of many fandomers. Like, he tells the trio to keep Hermione away from the DEs, or he babytalks to Buckbeak while patting him -both actions that show him in an at least not outright negative light one might think- and yet it just has to get interpreted in the worst way possible. It just seems like he can't possibly win, and that's probably where it gets uncomfortable for me, because everyone should at least be entitled to their own defence. But then, a lot of people also seem to think that "explaining" something is the same thing as "excusing" it, and so many potentially interesting discussions of Draco -or the DEs for that matter- get nibbed in the bud.

But it is interesting that he invokes this strong emotion in so many readers. I'm guessing that the Harry POV works well.

[info]sistermagpie

October 22 2004, 21:35:42 UTC 7 years ago

Like, he tells the trio to keep Hermione away from the DEs, or he babytalks to Buckbeak while patting him -both actions that show him in an at least not outright negative light one might think- and yet it just has to get interpreted in the worst way possible.

Yes--and it's not like I want it interpreted in a strictly positive light either. I don't think one has to think that Draco is secretly a spy for the Order and has vowed to lay down his life for Hermione by warning her about the DEs in order to say, "Gee, it seems like he's more interested in getting attention from the kids than using this dangerous situation to hurt Hermione, so maybe he's not actually capable of murder." Or with Buckbeak, you can admit that yeah, Draco did something stupid and was being intentionally difficult in class while still saying, "Okay, he tried to follow the instructions and goofed, and if he hadn't it would have been somebody else torn open on the ground, or possibly several people."

One of the things that came across to me so strongly in OotP is what you've said here about the book about bullies. Harry is immediately judgmental about James--the way he musses up his hair, the way he catches the Snitch, the way he lets Peter fawn all over him. But the way Harry acts throughout the books I just thought surely he probably came across just as badly to plenty of other kids. It really made me think this could be the way Malfoy saw him. Only instead of doing the cool, laid-back thing like James he did the tough, bad-ass thing. Imagine dropping in on a conversation where Harry was snapping at his friends while they apologized to him, or shutting Seamus up or making one of his, "Oh, like you've ever suffered anything like I have," comments. Would you really think this was the humblest, nicest kid in the class? Would you want to be this kid's friend so much more than the kid in the corner laughing and insulting eople with his friends? I don't know.

[info]ptyx

October 22 2004, 19:39:17 UTC 7 years ago

Wonderful post, sis, and very interesting thread. I'm plugging it on my lj and now I'm going to bed. Tomorrow I'll re-read everything in detail.

[info]puzzlement

October 23 2004, 01:24:31 UTC 7 years ago

come on, you think Hermione wouldn't prattle on ad nauseum until her parents wanted to drug her? That Ron wouldn't tell jokes long after they stopped being funny?

I do think this, but I also think Harry wouldn't notice, hence the books wouldn't say. Well, he and Ron do get bored when Hermione gets a bee in her bonnet, but I think he'd probably find Ron funny for as long as Ron did. Whereas if it were Draco...

[info]sistermagpie

October 23 2004, 13:48:10 UTC 7 years ago

This is so true--there is the occasional time where Harry will think his friends are, well, lame, but naturally he doesn't dwell on it.

[info]darklites

October 23 2004, 01:35:29 UTC 7 years ago

Draco must be the boss of everyone.
His two friends are bodyguards, thus being friends with Draco means receiving orders.


Wanted to bring something up here that I saw mentioned on LJ a long time ago, can't remember where. But:

Malfoy was curled up on the ground, whimpering and moaning, his nose bloody; George was sporting a swollen lip; Fred was still being forcibly restrained by the three Chasers, and Crabbe was cackling int he background. (OotP, Ch. 19: The Lion and the Serpent - i.e. the Harry/George/Draco Quidditch fight.)

HUH?? Er, if Crabbe is Draco's so-called bodyguard, what in hell is he doing cackling in the background the one time Draco does actually need the bodyguarding??? Why is this throwaway phrase there?! Does Crabbe secretly want to see Draco hit down? And if so, Draco is certainly not the boss of everyone. Even if you were to argue that Crabbe secretly disliked Draco, wouldn't it be still a bad idea to just stand around cackling while your "boss" was whimpering on the ground while being pounded (er) by two other boys?

Just wanted to put that out there, since it's an important detail that's missed out a lot when talking about Draco and his dynamics with his "cronies"/other Slytherins.

[info]sistermagpie

October 23 2004, 13:51:46 UTC 7 years ago

True! I remember in that scene I thought maybe Crabbe was supposed to be cackling at Harry being knocked back by the spell that got him off Malfoy--and wasn't Crabbe also the one who hit the bludger at him? So there we could possibly at the worst see Crabbe finding it the whole scene funny, including Draco getting beaten up, or possibly Crabbe just showing a personal dislike of Harry Potter that has nothing to do with Malfoy.

It's funny, too, that do we usually even hear Crabbe make noise in previous books? It seems like usually the stress is on he and Goyle possibly grunting if they laugh, but in this book iirc they're cackling all over the place.

[info]slinkhard

7 years ago

[info]little_aphid

October 23 2004, 12:42:22 UTC 7 years ago

Here from the Daily_Snitch. Great post, and I'd have to agree with pretty much everything here. I don't really have anything interesting to say, that hasn't been said already, but to darklites:

I think most people think Crabbe was laughing was because Draco had intentionally provoked two people into attacking him, so they'd get kicked off their team. I'm not quite sure how this fits into the OP's Draco characterization though.

I think I'll add this to memories.

[info]sistermagpie

October 23 2004, 13:53:15 UTC 7 years ago

Yeah, it may be too much to assume Crabbe knows what the outcome of this is going to be yet--I thought he was laughing at Harry being zapped by a spell to get him off Malfoy. But still, it's a very interesting little thing to be in there.

And thanks!

[info]rainpuddle13

October 23 2004, 14:17:51 UTC 7 years ago

I have a theory about Snape's relationship with Draco.

We know for a fact that Snape was a DE and according to Sirius was Lucius' 'lapdog' before he returned to the Dumbledore fold. This would put Snape in contact with Lucius around the time that Draco was toddler. Now how much time he actually spent with the Malfoys is what remains in question because Sirius isn't exactly the most reliable source of information.

If this is true, then Snape more than likely knew Draco as a small child which might account for some of the favoritism he show him.

[info]sistermagpie

October 24 2004, 12:16:55 UTC 7 years ago

I love all the possibilities that open up when you consider Snape and Lucius as friends. After all, Harry never knew Sirius either, but Sirius had known him as a baby and still felt strongly about him. Fanon sometimes have Snape as Draco's godfather, though I'd say canon hints that Draco doesn't know him that well, since he offers to tell Lucius Snape's the best teacher in CoS--if he knew Lucius and Snape already knew each other he wouldn't say that, imo.

But it's very possible Snape has some very specific feelings about Draco from day 1 that set the tone for their relationship without Draco knowing it. And if Snape came into first year with strong feelings about Draco it seems like he should have had an important influence on him by now we just haven't seen.

[info]starkiller

October 23 2004, 16:24:33 UTC 7 years ago

Came here via a link on Daily Snitch.

Firstly, I think this essay is absolutely spot on. I've had a lot of trouble reconciling Draco as the fanon percieved stereotypical spoilt brat with what we see in the books. As others have said, he has a lot of insecurities, and these manifest in whining/complaining and/or wandering around like a blond haired cloud of doom. He constantly points out that the treatment of the Trio is unfair - and he's right. The Trio consistently get away with breaking rules *because* they're Harry Potter and his sidekicks. The 'good guys' seem to get a carte blanche where bad behaviour is praised or excused, whereas the 'bad guys' who might do the same thing are told what they are doing is Wrong. The only real recourse the Slytherins have to break rules is to follow Umbridge's dictates in OotP - by doing so, breaking rules, such as wandering corridors at night, are legitimised. The 'good guys' wander corridors at night and rarely recieve punishment for doing so, in fact, frequently recieve accolades for what is essentially breaking a common school rule.

I don't think Lucius is a particularly bad father - but then, I don't think he's a particularly good one, either. We only see Luc/Draco interaction in a public forum - either in Knockturn Alley or the World Cup. In both cases, Draco is reminded by his father to preserve the public face the family wears, which is no different to any rich and noble family. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the public facade of the perfect icy noble family continues in private. We have no idea. Coming from a family background of diplomats and French nobility, the face presented for the public is very different to the one that is true face of the family, the one that is evident in private/family situations.

I personally think a lot of discrimination goes on in the writing of Draco/Slytherins vs Harry/The Good Guys. Just because I personally favour the DE's (because to me, the bad guys are more interesting to write/discuss,) doesn't mean that I'm biased in my opinions. I think JKR's discrimination of those she percieves as 'bad' and that she wants the readership to agree are 'bad,' versus those who are 'good' and percieved that way is too black and white. The bad guys are Bad and should not get away with anything, be punished to the nth degree, while the good guys are Good and should be praised for breaking rules, and essentially maintaining double standards.

My two cents.

[info]sistermagpie

October 24 2004, 12:29:47 UTC 7 years ago

I don't think Lucius is a particularly bad father - but then, I don't think he's a particularly good one, either. We only see Luc/Draco interaction in a public forum - either in Knockturn Alley or the World Cup. In both cases, Draco is reminded by his father to preserve the public face the family wears, which is no different to any rich and noble family. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the public facade of the perfect icy noble family continues in private. We have no idea. Coming from a family background of diplomats and French nobility, the face presented for the public is very different to the one that is true face of the family, the one that is evident in private/family situations.

This is an excellent point and it seems to me that the Slytherins in general seem to represent more old-fashioned ideas about authority and the public face. Unfortunately this is often treated as a bad thing in itself, but I don't think it is. In fact, what I love about it is that while Harry and his friends are informal with pretty much everyone, the Slytherins aren't. Neither are some of the other adults. But because Harry and his friends don't follow any code of public vs. private conduct they sometimes seem to lack an ear for slip-ups on the other side.

For instance, scenes I remember that use this well are in PoA when Lupin goes to Snape for his wolfsbane...iirc, Snape calls him Lupin while Lupin calls him Severus. I think Lupin's using Snape's first name is intended to be insulting because they're not friends. Even worse Lupin is calling him that in front of Harry, thus encouraging Harry to see him as "Severus" when Snape would insist on "Professor Snape." In fact, I know at one point someone even corrects Harry for calling him "Snape" and says he should say "Professor Snape." It may even be Lupin, showing he knows full well the importance of names.

Draco calls Crabbe and Goyle by their last names, which many people in fandom take to show they're not really his friends but I think it's just old fashioned boarding school. More importantly, are the two surprisingly intimate names we hear from Slytherins. When Draco bursts into Harry's Occulamency lesson Snape calls him "Draco," not "Malfoy." This is one of the only times a teacher has ever done so with a student--Remus, I assume, said "Harry," but that indicated a special relationship, or else Remus was in general pushed as the "friendly" teacher who called kids by their first names when none of the other teachers do. Snape, being even more formal, would never just call someone by their first name without reason. Perhaps he even uses the name in this scene to counteract the fact that he's been caught with Harry--saying "Draco" might signal to the Slytherin Prefect that Snape is appealing to their friendly relationship, and it may be a subtle way of smoothing any ruffled feathers that might come from Malfoy's seeing him giving Harry private lessons.

Then, of course, there's Draco's wonderful use of the name "Dad" at the end of OotP instead of "Father." Harry, iirc, picks up on that in teasing Draco that Voldemort is "a mate" of his "Dad's," but I didn't think Harry was knowingly mocking Draco's use of the term. I thought he was more just being generally familiar about Draco's family and possibly didn't even consciously note the difference between "My Father" and "Dad" when Draco used it.

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[info]starkiller

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[info]ackonrad

October 25 2004, 04:45:52 UTC 7 years ago

When, exactly?

To be fair, there was the Buckbeak incident in PoA. Of course, we saw everything through Harry's eyes, but it seemed pretty clear that Draco'd complained about Hagrid and Buckbeak to his father, and then we saw that Lucius's involvement nearly managed to get Buckbeak executed, and if it hadn't been for the Time Turner, Draco would've seen victorious through his father.

On the other side, this is the only scene in all five books I can remember in which Lucius actually took care of Draco's 'things', so in general, I agree with your point.

Brilliant post, as always. You've summed up very well why I like Draco so much - he is one of the few who dares to speak up his mind and tell that the Trio gets special treatment for being who they are (i.e, Harry for being Harry Potter, and Ron and Hermione for being his friends). I don't see why everyone complains about the Slytherins' special treatment from Snape - the entire school is against them, and if Dumbledore is allowed to treat the Trio the way he does, I don't see anything wrong with Snape favouring his house.

[info]sistermagpie

October 25 2004, 12:40:37 UTC 7 years ago

we saw that Lucius's involvement nearly managed to get Buckbeak executed, and if it hadn't been for the Time Turner, Draco would've seen victorious through his father.

Oh yes, you're right--I was just counting that as a time they *couldn't* help him, since despite his being physically hurt in class the animal escaped (with the help of the Faculty) and the teacher is still teaching. So if there we finally have proof of his parents attempting to fix something, they still fail.

Also, the other thing about this scene is no matter what his parents did it's not particularly overprotective. It's generally considered normal for parents to respond if their kid is hurt in class. If one wanted to show the Malfoys being overprotective I think I'd need to see them intervening on something ridiculous, like making sure he was top of the class when he hadn't earned it or something. This is more just like, "Right. Teacher brought heard of wild animals and one of them attacked my kid in class? Teacher gets in trouble, animal is put down. Next." Lucius probably doesn't want Hagrid teaching anyway.

Err...and thank you for calling the post brilliant.:-D

[info]_rp_zeal_

October 25 2004, 16:37:58 UTC 7 years ago

Joining the party late coz errr... haven't been reading any LJ post lately!

Well, so many eloquent and intelligent(-seeming, at the very least)people can't all be hallucinating. Be it intended or accidental, there IS a gap between Draco's real character and Harry's perception of it. I think there actually is a gap between how ANY character really is and how Harry sees him/her, as Harry really isn't the most insightful nor objective person there is. It's just that somehow there is this huge fandom resistance to consider Draco as more than meets the eye, and the 'why' continues to puzzle me!

Anyhow, SM *thank you* for the great post! Love the comments it has generated too!

[info]sistermagpie

October 25 2004, 18:25:38 UTC 7 years ago

Thank you! And ITA on the comments.

The other thing is it's not like canon isn't filled with just this sort of build up and reversal where Harry learns there's more to someone than he has seen. For some reason people are happy to believe this about people Harry sees every day (Ginny) but if it's the kid he's barely had a conversation with in 5 years surely he's plumbed all the depths and couldn't have any misconceptions.

[info]fly_wid_me

October 16 2005, 08:49:13 UTC 6 years ago

sorry.. but what exactly is canon Draco?

[info]sistermagpie

October 16 2005, 16:36:33 UTC 6 years ago

Sorry-canon Draco being the character as he appears in the books rather than in fanfic, etc. People tend to have different interpretations of him, and sometimes just assume that a different interpretation is fanon (the way he appears in fanfic rather than the books).

Anonymous

March 19 2007, 18:14:40 UTC 5 years ago

The Gap that fan-writer's love to fill.

((Sorry for the anonymous-ness, by the way, I am far too lazy to create an account.))

Okay, just a few things that hopefully coincide with your essay. :D

Okay, I may be a little inaccurate because I haven't read the second book in a long time, but didn't Lucius say that Draco was /second/ to a mudblood? Okay, let's consider, Hermione is the TOP in the school, so to be second, that's pretty big, right-o? And it's there that we see how high Draco's standards are compared to say, Harry, who, uh... that's right, doesn't have parents. Heh. I see it perfectly legit that Snape would favor the Slytherin smarty. He is a Slytherin, and apparantly, one of the smartest, so what's the problem? Why do people consider this 'favoritism'. Snape wants to see the improvment through school, that's why he doesn't call on Hermione. She /always/ does good, she doesn't improve. She's reached her height, Snape's bored. Wanna see some damn favoritism? Check Dumbledore and the rule-breakers. It really pisses me off that for about four scenes in one book Draco gets some special treatment, and it's all the sudden bad despite the fact that Throughout all six years, the Headmaster and other teachers had been pulling strings.

Also, how did Filch become the 'all-evil' and out to get Harry and Harry alone? Last time I checked, Filch checked /everyone/ as they came into the building HPB. Harry's perspective of things irritates me.

Also, just because Daddy almost got rid of a bird that attacked a student (his son), does not mean that he does /everything/. When, in fact, had Draco ever, in the end, succeeded because his father pulled strings? Don't even get me started on the 'bought onto the team' crap, I've had enough of that junk.

I think it may be true that Draco is used to getting what he wants, in a material way. But do you see Lucius curving his grades for him? No. Draco may get a cute teddy bear and down-feather pillows, but as for things that /Draco/ wants (that may have been implanted by his farther or not), Draco has to get for himself, which is proving hard. Remember, in HBP, Draco DENIED help because he wanted to do it himself. He denied help from his favorite teacher, what does this say about his character? He has ambition (glory, pride, attention, you know, things that I, too, am ambitous for and probably you to), that's what.

Draco has to be my favorite character because the gap is so large. What Harry sees of him creates an element of mystery. What if Draco, when in the common room, was the 'bad-boy prankster' (Let's look at Fred and George, shall we, but, oh wait, they are Gryffindors so whatever wounds they cause is okay), but generally liked because of his natural character? Just because when Harry sees him as a sour, angry little boy, doesn't mean that he is in a constant state of bad feeling, does it? I'm sure he is plenty pleasant when he receives positive attention, when in the Trio's prescence, it is always negative.

What I would love J.K. to do is have one chapter (just one, please!!!) that is set in the Slytherin common room, just hanging out, without concern about any mudblood killing serpents or any other monsters. What would they say? I am skeptical that teenagers spend their free time plotting deaths and tormenting each other with horrible curses.

Let's remember that Draco, the apparant optimum example of Slytherin set by J.K., couldn't kill anyone directly. And wasn't Draco who said he didn't mean for it to touch Katie, whom is a quidditch rival? And that only indicates that he was killing because he had to, not because he /wanted/ to kill a Gryffie really bad.


Pheww, that's a few things I wanted to cover. I'm so glad I found this site!
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